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after reading a ton of the replies, I have to say I've been persuaded onto the pro-start zone side, but that isn't to say the problems aren't valid. the people who log on epsilon not to rp but to sit in mall would just end up not logging on, and the people who actually want to rp will continue to log on

 

losing the starting zone will pretty much only just drop the average active player count without benefiting or worsening the actual rp going on at all


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10 minutes ago, zach said:

after reading a ton of the replies, I have to say I've been persuaded onto the pro-start zone side, but that isn't to say the problems aren't valid. the people who log on epsilon not to rp but to sit in mall would just end up not logging on, and the people who actually want to rp will continue to log on

 

losing the starting zone will pretty much only just drop the average active player count without benefiting or worsening the actual rp going on at all

Personally I'd have to disagree, much of the trolling and toxic behavior that happens occurs in start and while there are people that log on Epsilon to "chill", we need to remember that it is an RP server. Not saying you can't come here to chill, but It is an RP server after all.

I believe that the people who RP are who we should worry about the most, a lot of work has gone into improving the roleplay experience provided by Epsilon and we should do our best to make sure RP continues to happen and people use the things given to them. I mean if you look at what the new player said above, I think it's obvious that a lot of people have experienced a lot of negative things in start, while it can hold positive things, I believe for the sake of the community it'd be either better to take action against the toxic individuals, or simply just get rid of the starting zone so they can't bother new players or push them away from Epsilon.

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Adding on to what Gork said:

Epsilon is a playground for all to enjoy, while most players are here to roleplay, some aren't.

From my experience idling in start, witnessing some pretty horrible abuse hurled to other players after coming back from another tab is pretty disheartening. The bully NPC was a good reminder that Epsilon is a bully free zone.

While it's a tough hurdle to hop over, moderation certainly can't be done 24/7 so it's fairly safe to say that we won't ever be able to have a start zone that new players don't occasionally see that type of shit.

As for there being roleplay phases and people still sitting in start? lol, that's been going on since the beginning of time.

Just give people time to adjust on Epsilon and things will slot into place.

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Removing start would make sure that 20% would not log on until they have agreed to rp with someone over discord.

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1 hour ago, Visaerys said:

Removing start would make sure that 20% would not log on until they have agreed to rp with someone over discord.

Plus the fact that plenty of people sometimes just login to experience the community and chill, not to roleplay. Don't see anything wrong with startzone/mall being as it is, think it is beautiful. Good thread doe!

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Start is a good place for new people to get to know the community, ask questions and get some info/help.

Also, a good place to chill when my character is way too specific to fit into currently hosting phase.

Also, a nice place to 'just chill' when I don't have the mood for RP.

Also, a place to buy a good proletarian bread.

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Going to make a forum post for once.  I do text walls.

I side with the people saying that instead of having 20% of the playerbase on doing nothing, you'll just not have 20% of the playerbase on.  Not all RP available is something that is what a player is looking for.  For those players, start is a place to sit while you wait for either a friend to get on and RP or for an RP to become available. 

That's certainly the case with me on Amadeus.  The character's got rags and a couple spells, so pretty much every single guild is already out of the question since, as of the time of this post, they're all way over his head and tossing him in would be nigh suicidal.  He also cannot teleport and is not some world wanderer who bypasses the threats one might encounter in the world with ease.  He's in trouble if so much as a wolf decides he looks like a tasty meal. Right now my options for him are to make my own RP - which I won't do unless I have at least some people on that I get along with who can join in, since I'm obviously not going to sit there and just RP with myself, or to skip this part of his progression and just make him competent, which, while valid, leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Simply put, not all characters can be shoehorned into RPs, and not all players are eager to abandon those characters for ones who do.  While I understand not all characters are like mine, that doesn't mean that the RP presented may be optimal for them, and until that point they should have a place to wait to see if there is one.  Otherwise, they'll probably just never get on since the only way they become aware of any RP is through Discord.

Not to mention, some players or characters are simply not meant for public RP and are meant for adventure RPs hosted privately between them and their friends.  If they're in start, they're likely just in the time between and just enjoy talking to other people.  It doesn't mean they aren't RPing, it means they're not in YOUR RP.

The last thing I'd like to mention is that if start were removed, it's very possible that people will simply make their own.  That was the deal with Echeloned.  That server also did not have a start zone.  Instead, players generally came together around Sunstrider Isle.  While I'm not sure that the current climate of RPers would lead to that, it's definitely possible.  If they want to be in those RPs, they'll join the phase.  If they have no interest, deleting the start area won't make them magically filter in to those phases, it'll make them magically filter out of the server.  What else is there to do until something they're interested pops up?  How will they find people they want to RP with?  Best I can tell, without a start area they simply won't.

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removing start will make start ooc so theres no change


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